Tuesday, April 28, 2009

London Bes Din: Modern Orthopraxnicks Forbidden To Get Gelillah

This is crazy. A nice, frum, but Orthoprax guy in the UK has been told that on the basis of a decision by the London Bes Din he can't get any kibbudim at all in shul, not even hagbaah or gelilah. Neither can he be counted for Zimun or a Minyan, nor can he be a witness in court etc. The Bes Din paskened that he cannot be counted as a tinok shenishba or mumar lete'avon.

This is completely nuts. Half the people in my shul don't believe in TMS (and I'm sure it's the same in most MO shuls). When a conservative Rabbi (who holds of the DH) visits they give him Maftir Haftorah.

You might argue that there's a 'don't ask don't tell policy', and this UK guy was an idiot for asking his Rabbi / London Bes Din for a pask in his case (he certainly takes his Orthopraxy very, very seriously), but I would have to disagree, since my Rabbi is well aware of people who don't hold of TMS and they still get aliyot, and I'm sure my shul is not unique.

Not only that, but I asked one of the main dayonim in an American Bes Din what the halachah was and he told me that as long as you don't categorically deny that God wrote the Torah (and allmost all skeptics will concede it's at least a possibility, no matter how remote) there's no halachic issue.

Are the London Bes Din frummer than their American counterparts? What's going on here?

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