Saturday, October 31, 2009

A Serious Man - What the feh????

Has anyone seen this movie? What the heck was it about??? And what did the story with the dybuk have to do with anything? Was the message of the movie that everything is random? And do Conservative shuls really call up the next aliyah before the previous aliyah has said the final brachah?

The guy I saw it with (a Rabbi, funnily enough) said the movie depicted the vapidness of non Orthodox American Jewish life. I thought it was more of a modern day Iyov story.

And the reviewers are equally confused. The reviews range from saying this is one of the best movies that the Coen brothers have ever made, to one of the worst.

Very strange. I guess that was the point.

Friday, October 30, 2009

Which Siddur best Reflects ACTUAL Modern Orthodox values?

A. Artscroll
B. Koren/Sacks
C. Sim Shalom/Or Chadash

(Answer: C)

Also, Sim Shalom has the best commentary and layout.

Cross Currents Pulls Nasty Eytan Kobre Post?

Last night a nasty post appeared on Cross-Currents by Eytan Kobre, bashing Yoel Finkelman. This morning, there is no evidence of said post. What happened?

Here is the post in question:



By Eytan Kobre on Judaism

The biographical note following Yoel Finkelman’s piece in the October First Thngs says he teaches Jewish thought in Jerusalem, but, truth to tell, there are precious few of those to be found in his essay.

Ostensibly, the essay celebrates the publication of the new prayer book produced by Koren and translated and commented on by British Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks. In fact, however, “A Prayer Book of One’s Own” amounts to a gratuitously mean-spirited hatchet job on New York’s Artscroll publishing house, with a puerile undertone of “my prayer book – and Orthodoxy — is better than yours” added for good measure.

Rabbi Dr. Finkelman begins benignly enough, noting how enthusiastically the new volume has been received among some Modern Orthodox Jews and wondering why that might be. He posits that the Koren work represents a “confident, unapologetic alternative to what Artscroll has offered the Orthodox public.” Fair enough. It’s a debatable view, but at least a conventional one, echoing that of many other observers.

But then, unwittingly or otherwise, Finkelman appears to have flipped the “No More Mr. Nice Guy” switch in his word processor — or brain. In the space of just two paragraphs, he proceeds to label “the so-called Haredi . . . community” whose voice “Artscroll represents,” as “narrow-minded,” “dogmatic to a fault,” “preach[ing] an isolationist religion,” “monolithic,” and “authoritarian.” And that’s just Flatbush and Passaic; don’t even ask about Pupa, Krasne and their ilk in the wilds of Williamsburg.

Invoking his laundry list of essential (albeit, of course, non-dogmatic and, thus, presumably negotiable) tenets of Modern Orthodoxy – this would’ve made a great giveaway at conferences of Edah, o.b.m., as a laminated cue card for handy reference when challenged by those aggressive charedi types – Finkelman finds Artscroll sorely wanting on all counts: “The publisher advocates strong rabbinic authority, does not view the State of Israel as having much religious significance, gives little room to women in public religious life, and discourages the acquisition of general education.”

Missing from the list, strangely, are the important values of tolerance, civil and thoughtful discourse and promotion of Jewish unity and intra-Jewish pluralism that are often touted by those in the circles Finkelman moves in to distinguish themselves from those to their right. Could it be that this intolerant, uncivil, superficial and divisive article is, perhaps, not the best setting for invoking those desiderata? Just a thought.

Dr. Finkelman goes on to sum up Artscroll’s ideology as this: “The best a person can do is to humbly submit to the tradition as interpreted by the great rabbis.” And here I must admit to being indebted to the writer for formulating a brilliant, concise summation of precisely what I –and, I dare say, “the great rabbis” throughout the ages – believe to be at the heart of Judaism. Come to think of it, I think I’ll put that pithy, powerful précis of Jewish belief, worthy of Rabbis Hirsch or Soloveitchik, on a wallet card of my own.

But query Dr. Finkelman: which specific words in his own sentence does he take issue with? He doesn’t say, so we can only speculate. Ought a believing Jew rebel against – or, at least, as the all-the-rage, trite modern Jewish phrase would have it, “struggle with” — rather than submit to, the tradition? Does the problem lie with the notion of submitting to said tradition “humbly,” rather than in an uppity, Miss Piggle Wigglean fashion as befits an enlightened modern? Or is it the yielding of interpretative authority to “great rabbis” that grates on Finkelman, excluding as it does the kind of rabbis he presumably breaks bread with, fellows who maybe be great in, say, their golf game, but in encyclopedic knowledge of Shas and Poskim, perhaps not so much.

Part of Dr. Finkelman’s problem, it seems, is that he just doesn’t get out and about enough. If he did, he’d know that not only is it not so that “almost all North American Orthodox Jews are Ashkenazic” (which means that, when stateside, he’s missing out on a whole lot of wicked-tasting matbucha) but it’s also not quite the case that subscribers to the “Artscroll ideology” monolithically eschew the “acquisition of general education” or “extensive contact with people or ideas from outside the Orthodox enclave.”

Perhaps on his next New York visit, someone can introduce Finkelman to a gentleman named Rabbi Nosson Scherman, who knows a thing or two about Artscroll — and also spent many years visiting the decidedly non-Orthodox enclave of the Loews Corporation offices to study Torah weekly with Larry Tisch. If Reb Nosson isn’t available just then, Finkelman will have to suffice by chatting with any of the thousands of fervently Orthodox folks who work, attend school, study Torah or otherwise interact with secular Jews on a regular basis.

He could conclude his fact-finding field trip by swinging by any of Touro College’s several campuses or the many professional schools that enroll many hundreds of non-Modern Orthodox Jewish students. All of these, of course, might not satisfy Dr. Finkelman’s definition of “general education,” since these students spend little time cogitating on Camus and Steinbeck. He may profit, as well, from a conversation with Rabbi Moshe Meiselman on precisely how much “religious significance” the latter’s uncle, Rav Yoshe Ber Soloveitchik, accorded the State of Israel. All this is a tall order, to be sure, but what won’t one do to gain an accurate perception of reality?

The writer bemoans the fact that fervently Orthodox Jews aren’t “more open-minded and less dogmatic,” which seems like a roundabout way of saying he’s perturbed they really do believe the Torah is superior to anything modern or pre-modern society might have to offer in the way of morality and ultimate meaning. This is the religious analogue to the notion that, sure, America thinks it’s exceptional, but, hey, the British and the Greeks fancy themselves likewise. The Obama foreign policy with a kippah attached, one might say.

One would be more favorably disposed to assume Dr. Finkelman is uninformed but well-intentioned were it not for his quite unbecoming tendency to presume the worst of intentions on Artscroll’s part. Faced with explaining the 1987 collaboration between the publisher and the Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) in producing a special prayer book edition featuring an introduction by Edah founder Rabbi Saul Berman, no “centrist” he, and the inclusion of a prayer for the State of Israel, Finkelman takes the low road out of the dilemma by impugning the motives of both parties without a shred of basis in fact.

By agreeing to publish the RCA edition, Finkelman writes, Artscroll “seemed to say ‘We’ll gladly ship you thousands of our prayer books and even more gladly cash your checks. We’ll include your introduction, and we’ll even swallow our anti-Zionist pride and include the prayer for the State of Israel.’ But the . . . rest of the siddur, with its authoritarian religious instructions and commentary that reflects our values, will carry the day.” The RCA’s decision, as well, to “use an edition of the ultra-Orthodox Artscroll siddur seemed like selling out” to “ultra-Orthodox . . . hegemony.”

But might it just be that both the RCA and Artscroll hold their respective religious principles firmly and honestly, yet don’t necessarily rule out of bounds the somewhat variant scruples of other Torah-observant Jews? Could it be, in a word, that Artscroll and the RCA are, to borrow a phrase, actually “more open-minded and less dogmatic” than Dr. Finkelman? He waves away that uncomfortable thought by resort to imagined conversations that the parties “seemed” to be having – which is, well, rather unseemly.

For Finkelman, these prayer books are political footballs in “the ongoing dispute between [the] two Orthodox camps.” First, the Artscroll siddur’s “success in penetrating Modern Orthodox synagogues seemed symptomatic of emerging ultra-Orthodox victory and hegemony.” And for its part, the “Sacks and Koren volume has a clear agenda to be the non-Artscroll. . . .”

Yet, it was the Ba’al Shem Tov who famously advised Jews to reaffirm the mitzvah of ahavas Yisroel before engaging in prayer, and with good reason: the Sh’monah Esrei is, after all, couched entirely in the plural, as a supplication on behalf of all Jews everywhere. It’s more than a bit sad, then, to think that when Dr. Finkelman and those of his bent approach G-d in a prayer encounter that ought to foster humility, awe and love for G-d and his chosen nation, the siddur they hold in hand might instead evoke for them an “agenda” based on the kind of Jews they are not, a sense of one-upsmanship and disunity. Not this way, one would imagine, lies Heavenly acceptance of prayers, nor, for that matter, the longed-for Final Redemption.

Throughout his essay, one senses there’s something viscerally eating away at Dr. Finkelman; why else would someone who, in personal terms is undoubtedly a lovely individual, pen something so needlessly vindictive? His penultimate sentence gives an inkling of what that might be: “[Rabbi Sacks] produced the kind of prayer book that Modern Orthodox Jews can use without looking over their shoulders at what the ultra-Orthodox would think.”

So there, it appears, is the rub. The Koren siddur enables Modern Orthodox Jews like Dr. Finkelman to celebrate a work that is of and for their community and thereby assuage long-nursed feelings of inadequacy and defensiveness vis a vis their co-religionists to the right. It’s only a shame that those same feelings had to be put on such public display in the pages of a prominent Catholic journal.

Thursday, October 29, 2009

Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Rav Shternbuch: Impossible to parody

Sorry folks, I just spent an hour trying, but really, it's just too difficult. I mean how can I possibly parody a line like this:

The Torah takes the risk of fueling heretical philosophies just to teach us about a good character trait? This can be compared to investing a million dollars for a possible return of a few cents.

Or this:

The truth is that apikorsim will continue believing in their warped ideologies regardless of what the Torah says. They are motivated by their drive for an easy, pleasurable life and all other factors are irrelevant to them.

Or this:

Rav Chaim understood that when a person thinks that he already has all the answers, they are not open to hearing anything else.

Or this:

If we accept the fundamental concept that our intellect is limited, then all doubts about any other part of the Torah or Hashem’s actions fall away.

Or this:

However, each person will reach a point where he cannot understand the mysteries of the universe. From that point on, every Jew must trustingly accept those principles of faith which he is unable to grasp intellectually. It is impossible to understand everything, and the desire to do so stems from arrogance.

For goodness sake, how could I possibly be any more Koton Hadorish than this?!!:

Rav Shternbuch once attended a gathering of scientists. When he was asked if he believes in the Theory of Evolution, he replied, “It is complete nonsense, with no basis whatsoever. If you want, you can believe that your grandfather was an ape, but I am a descendant of Avrohom, Yitzchok and Yaakov.” Later, one of the scientists approached Rav Shternbuch with a challenge: “Rabbi, they have found bones in Madgascar that have been proven to be millions of years old.” Rav Sternbuch replied that this insignificant evidence proves nothing about creation. Due to the flood of Noach, the entire world appears much older than it really is.

I rest my case.

Why do Intellifundies & Skeptics debate evolution?

What is it about evolution that makes intellifundies (and skeptics) crazy? I see people debating the finest details of evolutionary theory. But why? How is it relevant to anything?

It's one freaking posuk in Breishis for goodness sake!

וַיִּיצֶר יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם, עָפָר מִן-הָאֲדָמָה

And this in Chapter 2, which is anyway different from Chapter 1, where no "dust" is even mentioned:

וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ, בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ

Not only that, but this comes a few words after God says "Let US make man" which Rashi explains is not to be taken too literally, and several pesukim after it describes a rakia dome, which is obviously not literal, and a few more pesukim after freaking grass growing before the freaking sun was even freaking created.

What's wrong with you fundies?! It couldn't possibly be metaphorical? Your entire religion depends on intepreting those 4 words in Breishis absolutely literally? God, who runs the world in a hidden mysterious way, couldn't possibly have used evolution to create man? What's WRONG with you!!!!

And as for the skeptics, what's your problem???? So lets say the theory of evolution does have some holes in it. So freaking what? And therefore God exists and wrote the Torah? Is that the conclusion you're so scared of?

Evolution being correct doesn't disprove the Torah, and Evolution being incorrect doesn't show anything at all. The emergence of man is a no bigger mystery than the emergence of the universe.

Is there any proof, evidence or data for God's existence? ZERO. Is there any proof, evidence or data for God writing the Torah. ZERO. If evolution is an incorrect theory, is there any more proof that God wrote the Torah (or even exists)? ZERO.

When are people (skeptics and believers alike) going to get it into their thick heads:

When it comes to super-natural or super-temporal (i.e. before the universe began) theories, facts, conjectures, entities or whatever - there is ZERO DATA, ZERO EVIDENCE and no way of knowing anything at all. And you can't reason from the natural to the super-natural, or from the temporal to the super-temporal - by definition. Because the supernatural is by definition entirely different than the natural.And the temporal is by definition from the super-temporal.

Is it possible the world should exist by chance? How the heck could I know (or anybody else for that matter). Do we have a sample set of universes and then we can measure how many existed by chance? NO! Is it possible a God created the Universe? Could be, but who knows?

One thing skeptics and believers should learn from Rav Moshe Shternbuch - when we don't know something, we don't know something. And no amount of wishing, faith or any other emotion can make us know.

Abie Rottenberg Demonstrates Exactly Why People Believe in God: Fear of DEATH




It's always funny how unself aware believers are. Oh well, truth is we are all scared of death. Me too.

Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Evolution: Chareidim vs. Scientists

Why Faith vs. Reason is a red herring

I just had an epiphany (of sorts).

There really is no such thing as Faith vs. Reason. It's a complete red herring.

ALL faith WITHOUT EXCEPTION is based on some kind of reasoning (however crappy), and ALL reason requires some very, very basic basic faith (that we are capable of logical thinking and reaching true conclusions etc - you can debate whether this is "faith" or just basic human functioning - not important.).

The real truth is that whenever someone talks about "Faith" vs. "Reason", what they really REALLY mean is "Beliefs which are based on not very good reasons which I really want to hold of" vs. "Beliefs which are based on very good reasons which I really don't want to hold of."

Seriously, I'm not kidding. Next time someone starts going on about "Faith vs. Reason" I'm going to call them on it.

Monday, October 26, 2009

The Making of an Apikores by Rav Moshe Shternbuch

[Here is another awesome drashah from Rav Moshe Shternburch]

Mr. Know-It-All
By Rav Moshe Shternbuch
Yated Neeman October 23rd

The following was written by Rabbi Daniel Yaakov Travis based on a drasha given by Rav Moshe Shternbuch, Rosh Av Beis Din of the Eidah Hachareidis of Yerushalayim.

ANSWERING THE UNANSWERABLE
“Let us make man in our image and form … And He created man in His image” (Bereishis 1:26-27). “Even though Hashem did not receive any assistance in the creation of man, and the plural wording of this verse leaves room for heretics to back up their mistaken ideologies, the Torah wrote this verse in the plural to teach us proper behavior and humility, that even a great person should take counsel from a smaller person. If the Torah would have written, ‘I will make man,’ we would not have learned that Hashem consulted with His Heavenly court before creating man. The answer to the heretics is actually found in the continuation of the verse which states, ‘…and He created man,’ and it does not say we created man” (Rashi, Bereishis 1:26).

Rashi’s words are nothing short of astonishing. The Torah takes the risk of fueling heretical philosophies just to teach us about a good character trait? This can be compared to investing a million dollars for a possible return of a few cents. How can this serious risk be justified by this doubtful gain?

The truth is that apikorsim will continue believing in their warped ideologies regardless of what the Torah says. They are motivated by their drive for an easy, pleasurable life and all other factors are irrelevant to them. There was no reason for Hashem to take them into account when writing the Torah. He was more concerned with teaching those who want to learn, and this posuk presented a valuable opportunity to teach humility, one of the most important character traits.

Rav Chaim Brisker was once visited by a former member of his community who had since abandoned mitzvah observance. Rav Chaim was told that this man had returned to Brisk with a mission. He had gathered many perplexing questions about Judaism and the Torah since he had left and he wanted to hear how Rav Chaim would answer them.

Rav Chaim replied that he was ready to answer questions, but he was certain that the man did not really have any. Rather, this man had already formulated answers to his so-called questions and was just looking for an excuse for a confrontation with Rav Chaim. Rav Chaim understood that when a person thinks that he already has all the answers, they are not open to hearing anything else.

TO KNOW AND TO BELIEVE
There are many fundamental philosophical questions one can ask about the Torah: Who is Hashem? Why did He create the world six thousand years ago and not earlier? Why did He create man as He did? The list goes on and on, and the person who feels that he must understand every mystery in the universe with his intellect will certainly be frustrated.

In actuality, all of these questions can be resolved with one simple principle. Hashem created malachim who have very high levels of perception. They have a much clearer understanding of Hashem’s ways and are not plagued by the questions that we may have.

However, Hashem also desired to create man as a being with limited understanding. Due to his limitations, man’s Divine service must be based on faith and trust. This is the mitzvah of emunah, belief in Hashem. If we accept the fundamental concept that our intellect is limited, then all doubts about any other part of the Torah or Hashem’s actions fall away.

The Rambam writes that there is a mitzvah “to know and to believe” that G-d exists, created the world and continuously manages it. Knowing and believing are seemingly contradictory concepts. Knowing stems from proofs and intellectual understanding, while belief is a matter of accepting something that one does not comprehend.

Rav Chaim Brisker explained that one must use one’s mind to achieve the highest possible level of intellectual clarity regarding Hashem’s existence. However, each person will reach a point where he cannot understand the mysteries of the universe. From that point on, every Jew must trustingly accept those principles of faith which he is unable to grasp intellectually. It is impossible to understand everything, and the desire to do so stems from arrogance.

This is the meaning of the Mishnah which states, “The difference between the students of Avrohom Avinu and the students of Bilaam was that the talmidim of Avrohom were humble, while those of Bilam were arrogant.” At first glance, these words are incomprehensible. Surely the primary difference is that Avrohom’s students were righteous while Bilaam’s were evil!

But this Mishnah teaches us that the difference between these two schools was rooted in the character trait of humility. Avrohom’s talmidim were humble and accepted that they did not have to know everything, and did not demand answers to sublime philosophical questions that were beyond their powers of comprehension. On the other hand, Bilaam’s students’ arrogant assumption that they were entitled to know everything led them to eventually deny Hashem and His Torah.

A DROP IN THE BUCKET
Rav Shternbuch once attended a gathering of scientists. When he was asked if he believes in the Theory of Evolution, he replied, “It is complete nonsense, with no basis whatsoever. If you want, you can believe that your grandfather was an ape, but I am a descendant of Avrohom, Yitzchok and Yaakov.” Later, one of the scientists approached Rav Shternbuch with a challenge: “Rabbi, they have found bones in Madgascar that have been proven to be millions of years old.” Rav Sternbuch replied that this insignificant evidence proves nothing about creation. Due to the flood of Noach, the entire world appears much older than it really is.

All of the scientists at that gathering were intelligent people who were highly educated. How can an otherwise rational person come to believe a completely unfounded and illogical theory such as evolution? Based on what we have explained so far, we can answer this question.

The apikores believes that he must be able to answer all questions. If he cannot find a logical one, he will develop one that is not intellectually sound. They can even suggest that man originally descended from apes, even in the absence of any evidence. No matter how far-fetched his answer may be, the arrogant apikores will do anything to avoid admitting that the ways of creation are beyond his comprehension.

Torah-true Jews understand that man is not the descendant of apes, but was formed by Hashem from the dust of the ground and will return to this source at the end of his life. We accept that our understanding of the universe is limited. We try and understand what we can and leave the rest to emunah.

The Vilna Gaon explains that the word bereishis can be read as bara reishis, created the beginning, and that it refers to the creation of time. We cannot possibly grasp what this means, yet before its creation, the world existed without time. So, too, many aspects of creation are beyond our comprehension yet we accept that Hashem, in His infinite wisdom, fashioned everything with great precision and purposely hid their deeper meaning from us.

In Sifri Detzinusah, the Vilna Gaon writes that Parshas Bereishis hints to everything that will transpire throughout history until the coming of Moshiach. Even if we do not understand what is happening around us, we have emunah that it is all directed by the wisdom of the Creator of the universe.

There is much in this world that we cannot understand and we all experience the limits of our perception on a daily basis. Emunah is the path of humility, the path to the next world, the path of the faithful Jew as he faces each and every challenge and question in his life.

Rav Shternbuch’s shiurim on the parsha are being prepared to be published by Feldheim Publishers as a sefer entitled “Small Prophecies.”

For information about dedication opportunities, contact dytravis@actcom.com.

Rabbi Travis is a rosh kollel of Kollel Toras Chaim in Yerushalayim, and is the author of Shaylos U’Teshuvos Toras Chaim and “Praying With Joy - A Daily Tefilla Companion,” a practical daily guide to improving one’s prayers, available from Feldheim Publishers. For more information about his work, contact dytravis@ actcom.com.


Chasunah of Yael Trump and Yered Kushner


BARBARA: Its official! YAAYY!! Yael, what can I say?! U married into be BEST family ever..
RUDY: mazel tov! it was an amazing wedding and such a beautiful simcha!!!
NATALIE: May you be zoche to build a Bais Ne'man B'yisroel. K'tivah V'chatimah Tova.
REGIS: What an AWESOME wedding! Mazal Tov & may you share continued happiness forever & ever.

Saturday, October 24, 2009

Gideon: A model skeptic

I went to a Nach shiur today in my local MO shul and the subject was Gideon, the Shofet (Shoftim 6). It turns out that Gideon was quite the skeptic.

When God tells Gideon (in the guise of a malach) that He is with him, and that he should fight the Midianites, Gideon doesn't really believe Him, and Gideon makes Him perform a miracle (the angel touches food and the food gets consumed by fire).

But even this little miracle isn't good enough for Gideon, skeptic that he is. A few pesukim later, Gideon again demands a sign from God. Gideon spreads out a fleece on the floor, and asks that the fleece should be full of dew, yet the surrounding ground be dry. God dutifully performs the requested miracle, but Gideon is still not satisfied. Possibly a naturalistic explanation is possible, maybe fleece is more absorbent, or the ground dries quicker. So this time he asks for the opposite miracle, the ground should be wet, but the fleece dry. This kind of double-reverse experiment is clearly designed to exclude all possibility of a natural explanation. Again, God complies, and so Gideon goes off to battle.

So what are we supposed to learn from this? One of our greatest Jewish heroes was one huge skeptic? No doubt the frummies have an explanation: Gideon had been less than makpid in some chumrah, and so he was concerned that maybe he was no longer zocheh to Hashem's help, hence the request for miracles. Or maybe he himself certainly didn't need any proof (chas vesholom), but rather he wanted Hashem to perform miracles so that other less emunadick people would be convinced. I saw the latter explanation in the Artscroll, but it doesn't work so well because the posuk implies Gideon was all by himself. I think the reality is that (some) people were skeptics, and the Torah sees that as a perfectly reasonable approach. Doubting Thomas is a Christian concept. This rationalist view is further emphasized in the Torah, when Moshe tells people that we should believe in God based on all the wondrous things we have seen and experienced i.e. EVIDENCE, NOT FAITH.

Wednesday, October 21, 2009

End The End The Madness.org

[Wow. This ETM site is wacky in the extreme. Who is it aimed at? Yeshivah Bochrim? Modern Yeshivish? Surely not MO? Below I fisked their 10 ikkarei emunah.]

1. It is fundamentally wrong to judge someone based on non-Halachic externalities. [XGH: Is there such a thing as a Halachic externality?] Doing so is an act of sinas chinam, the primary cause of our continued exile and national suffering. [Source?] Reciting tehillim will not save us [from what?] as long as the reason for our punishment continues in such force. People who scorn marriage with others based upon non-Halachic externalities are in violation of sinas chinam. [Source?] This is true even if they are friends, even if they eat in each other’s homes, even if they learn Torah together, etc. The ultimate sign of true acceptance between people and families – or lack thereof – is marriage. The students of Hillel and Shamai had far greater issues to work out between one another than we do today, yet their families intermarried. [Ahh, but maybe the Beis Shammai girls were good looking]

2. If one feels that certain personal customs enhance his religious observance, he is wise to adopt them. However, such customs are entirely optional. There is no special merit in adopting them or lack thereof in choosing not to. [Err, if the customs enhance his religious observance then that’s the merit of adopting them. Duh] Putting any kind of pressure on others to adopt such customs is an invasion of one’s religious freedom (which exists within the bounds of the Torah), and confuses the ignorant. [What the heck are you talking about?]

3. Social pressure in all its forms (to date, not to date, to further a relationship, to terminate a relationship, etc.) is morally wrong and frequently in violation of the Torah. [Morally wrong?!] If people are mature enough to date, they should be considered mature enough to make the proper decisions. [No way jose.] Advice and guidance should be offered with the greatest care and sensitivity, with full realization of the severity of offering inappropriate advice. Rabbis should be especially cautious.

4. The only true shadchan is Hashem. Consequently, while people should be proactive in finding their respective mates, one should not lose sight of Who runs the show. Availing oneself of human assistance is a choice, not a necessity. [Nonsense. What kind of bizarre hashkafah is this? You haver to make hishtadlus] Perverting one’s actions to score points with a potential shadchan is a lack of faith in Hashem and a severe personal disservice. [Again, What the heck are you talking about?]

5. It is a sin beyond description to belittle ba’alei teshuva. Since Biblical times our leaders have seen them as perfectly viable marriage candidates. [Huh? BT’s in Biblical Times??] Those who think otherwise are ignorant and cruel.

6. It is not bittul Torah to date. Period. [Bizarre]

7. It is intrusive and degrading to ask petty questions about potential dates before agreeing to meet them. This is a form of narcissism, and should be strongly criticized whenever it is encountered. [Depends how you define “petty”. But if you mean “picky”, then I agree]

8. If God created an ideal mate for every person (a “bashert”), there is no assurance that this person comes complete with wealthy parents. [Or is religious. Err, wait a minute…]

9. One should search for what he truly needs in a marriage partner, not demand a person custom-made to the slightest details. Allowing room for individuality is healthy, not a “compromise”. People should search for their spiritual mates, not their “equals”. [Please define “Spiritual Mate]

10. Singles should feel comfortable talking to one another without intermediaries. Singles should not be embarrassed to be seen talking to one another, whether on a date or not. [How about flirting with each other? Or touching their halachic externalities?] Interaction between religious singles is emotionally sound and Halachically permissible, and does not require supervision. [Actually, it probably does] It should become normal again for people to arrange dates on their own. [How can you arrange a date if you don’t hang out with girls? Are you suggesting that guys and girls hang out together on a routine basis?]



Top 10 things that have happened since the BAN!

I see that various bloggers have posted about the 5 year anniversary of the infamous "Science and Torah" ban of 2004. Hard to believe that it's been 5 years! How time flies. Co-incidentally, I started blogging in January 05, we'll celebrate my 5th birthday then.

So what's happened since the ban? My view is as follows:

1. Many people lost respect for the Gedolim. (Banning Lipa didn't help either.)
2. One of the chief kannoim is now in federal penitentiary for fraud.
3. Another of the major kannoim is embroiled in dueling lawsuits, he's also accused of fraud.
4. Rabbi Slifkin ended up way more famous than he would have been otherwise.
5. The jblogosphere got a great boost, though I think the effects are waning a bit these days.
6. The ban unleashed a tidal wave of kefirah, many people (including me) went OTD (or got enlightened, depending on your POV)
7. Not sure if anyone became frummer because of the ban, somehow I doubt it.
8. Possibly some folks moved allegiances from Chareidi to MO (at least 1 person did!)
9. FKM, Rav Meiselman, Rabbi Orlofsky and Rabbi Shmeltzer all went a bit nuts.
10. Last I checked, evolution is still true and the earth is still 15 billion years old. However it turns out that MO Intellifundies are just as brainwashed as the Chareidim. Oh well.

Tuesday, October 20, 2009

My Daughter's Bible Picture

So my daughter, age 5 1/2, comes home from her LWMO school with a bible picture for Genesis, depicting Adam in the Garden of Eden. Now, I'm not going to start making trouble about the real meaning of the story, because the basic story has meaning and the real meaning is not suited to a five -year-old. But what bothered me intensely was how they depicted Adam. He was depicted as a real man in a real garden!

I don't like it. But on the other hand, I don't think that it's good from a pedagogical perspective for me to be disagreeing with her teachers or her school's education materials.

What do you think?

True Conversations

This one really did take place.

Skeptic: Show me that God wrote the Torah
Intellifundie: You skeptics are ridiculous. Since when does anyone really require 100% proof of anything? You don't require that anywhere else in life.
Skeptic: OK, at least show me that it's more likely true than not.
Intellifundie: Again with the proofs! It's ok to be epistemically justified, you don't need proofs. Only ridiculous skeptics require 100% proof.
Skeptic: So if I can show you that it's unlikely that God wrote the Torah, you would accept that?
Intellifundie: I'm not conceding anything. Until you can absolutely 100% prove that God didn't write the Torah, I'm going to continue to believe in it.
Skeptic: So you do need 100% proof?
Intellifundie: No, I'm epistemically justified!
Skeptic: Good grief.

We're Modern Orthodox, we don't take Breishis literally!

Unlike those silly backwards chareidim, we don't take Breishis literally. Oh no. With our advanced knowledge of the modern sciences, we know that God was talking metaphorically when he wrote Breishis, and dictated it to Moshe on Har Sinai in 1200 BCE.

Monday, October 19, 2009

Breishis as a polemic against ancient Israelite creation myths

One of the common themes in modern Orthodox apologetics for Breishis is that the Torah is not giving a Scientific account of the Creation of the Universe (no kidding!), but rather is a polemic against the prevalent Babylonian and Mesopotamian creation myths such as the stories of Apsu and Tiamat. (I can never get these myths straight, but my buddy - the freakishly knowledgeable Bible expert - knows them all in detail. And can read them in the original).

This is probably true, and is based on Nahum Sarna, who is based on Umberto Cassutto (who may be based on Shadal, not sure).

However, as Umberto Cassutto notes in great detail, it's not just the Babylonians whom the ancient Biblical Writer(s) were coming to argue against. The ancient Israelites themselves had some Creation myths which were far from Monotheistic. One particular story, which still has its echoes in Tehillim, Chazal, and various books of Tenach is the story of the epic battle between the Sea (the Tehom in some versions) and God.

The Lord of the sea was also called "Rachav", and in various places in Tenach it talks about the battle and God destroying him. The Artscroll gets around this by noting that Rachav was also a later name for Egypt, and those pesukim are just talking about that, but when you really analyze the sources you see it's a creation story. There's even a gemarah (in Babah Basra I think) where Rahav is identified as the "Lord (angel?) of the Sea".

So, even though these references remained in Tehhilim, Nach, and even Shas, the Biblical Writer(s) got rid of them entirely. The only remaining thing was perhaps a polemic against them, where Breishis notes that God created the Sea Monsters - Taninim - rather than they being pre-existing and fighting God.

I don't have the source swith me right now, but I'll be glad to post them all tonight.

Saturday, October 17, 2009

Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Can an ideal state exist?

In my previous post I explained OP's approach to morality (OP the blogger, not OP the movement, I wish OP the blogger would change his name) - that "objective morality" is that set of ethics and morals (and presumably values) that will best lead to the "ideal state" i.e. the state where the maximal amount of people have maximal amount of good things - happiness, long life, meaning etc.

The question I have been pondering is this: Could such an ideal state exist, in theory? I can think of arguments for and against.

For
The human animal is at its core a neuro-biological machine, shaped by millions of years of evolution (or by God, either way). Although people have different temperaments, different genes and different physical characteristics, there is certainly a very basic set of human needs, for example Maslow's hierarchy, that can be figured out, and which apply to most people most of the time. Once we have figured out (in theory) what will make most people most happy (and fulfilled etc - whatever their neuro-biological needs turns out to be), we just need to figure out what ethics and morals should be in place to achieve that. Of course in practice this will be very difficult and subjective, but we can be motivated by that ultimate ideal goal.

Against
There can't possible be an ideal state. Sure, everyone has biological needs and nobody wants to die young, but after that, all needs and desires are culturally conditioned, and constantly evolving. Also of course the environment itself is evolving (with new technology, the passage of time and other inevitable changes), so the whole notion of one "objective morality" leading to one "ideal state" is clearly false. Certainly some states seem better than others, but this will always be a subjective assessment. Also, since ultimately the only deciding factor as to whether someone is in the ideal state (maximally happy, fulfilled etc) is what's in their brain, it turns out that the ultimate objective is entirely subjective - since it entirely depends on what people are thinking. The only way around this is to say that the ideal state is where people have maximum opportunity to be happy (and fulfilled), but that we don't insist or measure whether anyone actually is happy or fulfilled. So the objective morality is the one that produces the ideal state - but everyone in the ideal state could quite easily in actuality be depressed, miserable and unfulfilled. But this doesn't seem right either.

The other problem I have with OP's theory is that it is very consequentialist - there doesn't seem to be a place for moral values which don't lead to the maximum outcomes, or even which lead to bad outcomes.

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

The Objective Morality of OP

Here is OP's theory in a nutshell (for what its worth), much better explained than he was ever able to.

In theory, there is an ideal state of humanity where everyone is maximally fulfilled, happy, healthy and all good things. True, nobody knows exactly what this ideal state is, (in fact I think it's pretty obvious that many people would disagree on the details), but it's logical to assume that this ideal state could in fact exist, and that everybody in this ideal state would in actuallity be as happy (and fulfilled etc) as they could possibly be. (Also, maybe when in this ideal state, everyone might finally agree that this state is indeed ideal).

Now, for this ideal state to exist, there will be an ideal set of morals and ethics which creates (and maintains) this state. Again, people will have different opinions on what this ideal set of morals and ethics are, just like they have different opinions on what the ideal state is like. But that's fine.

The key is to recognize that there is an objective ideal state, and that there is an objective ideal set of morality to get to that state, and that is objective morality.

So what do I say to all this? I say, so what? At the end of the day OUR morality is subjective, and theoretical sets of ideal morality are an illusion. Even if we did ever get to this ideal state, we wouldn't actually know it, because it would always be possible that there is a better state. Do I think it's impossible that such an ideal state exists? Hmm, not neccessarily.

It strikes me that this theory is a lot like the moral theory of OJs. There is an ideal objective morality, which God has created. Through learning Torah, we try to get to that morality, albeit with our subjective interpretations.

What motivates both OP and the OJs is the Utopian notion that our efforts are not in vain, and that we can get closer and closer to the ultimate objective ideal. For the OJ, the ultimate objective ideal is whatever God, by Divine Fiat, has decreed it to be. For OP, it's whatever makes humanity the best it can be.

Monday, October 12, 2009

Objective vs Subjective Facts

Objective means something that doesn't depend on what people think.
Subjective means something that does depend on what people think.

Objective Example: The world is a globe. This is an objective fact, since whether people think it is or is not, it's still a globe.

Subjective Example: The Beatles were one of the greatest rock bands of all time. This is a subjective fact/opinion, since if everyone thought they were terrible then they wouldn't be called a great rock band (unless maybe you could show some external, biased reason why people thought they were awful, but without that incidental reason they would in fact be liked).

Orthoprax (the blogger) keeps insisting that Subjective Facts have little value - they are based on personal opinion and nothing more.

Orthoprax is quite wrong. Subjective Facts can easily be based on a great deal more than personal opinion. In fact Subjective Facts are often based on experience, emotion, reasoning and all sorts of things. Reliable Subjective Facts are based on a global consensus of opinion of experts.

Are the Beatles one of the greatest rock bands of all time? Of course they are. Is it a true statement to say they were? Of course it is! It is objectively true? Of course it isn't! Does that matter? Hardly.

In fact, subjective facts may be far more important than objective facts. True, you can't build an airplane out of subjective facts. Then again, you would never bother building an airplane in the first place if it wasn't for subjective facts.

A great many things which are of incredible importance to humanity are subjective facts. Morality, Art, Love: all subjective. Dismissing Subjective Facts, or alternatively, insisting that Subjective Facts (e.g. Murder is wrong) are in fact Objective, is silly.

Now, what if there is great disagreement on the subjective fact - then what? Then we have a problem, because if there is no consensus amongst the experts, then it's hard to say it's a fact. However, the same problem exists with supposedly objective facts too - for example the huge debates about string theory.

Now, where do the soft sciences fit in? (History, archeology etc)? Many of those are partly subjective - or at least subjectivity plays a role.

Of course talking about objective vs. subjective facts is itself a fallacy - you can't clearly demarcate two classes of things, one objective and one subjective. Rather, most things are a mix, and exist on a continuum.

The most important thing of all, with any kind of fact - objective or subjective - is to determine if there is consensus, if there is bias, and what do the experts say.

If there is global agreement across all experts, and no specific reason to accuse anyone of bias - then the "fact" is credible and reliable - I would say "true" (with the provision that due to epistemic uncertainty, radical skepticism and the like nothing can ever really be 100% true in this world). If there is massive disagreement across experts (with no bias) then the fact becomes less credible (and consequently less "true").

Some debates are inherently difficult, if not impossible, to untangle. For example, with Politics, you have "experts" on both sides claiming that their policies are better for the country. Who is correct? Is anyone correct? Almost impossible to say, plus of course you have accusations of great bias on both sides. The only practical thing to do in such circumstances is to analyze the evidence, and see if one side is truly more biased. If there is genuinely no bias, then you have to investigate assumptions and/or values, and see if one side has different assumptions and/or values. Of course it doesn't end there, then you will have to investigate why they have different assumptions or values, and it go on for a while.

Religion too, can be tricky. Though the fact that all religious fundamentalist are always convinced that their birth religion is of course the one true religion, whilst all academic research from less biased religious liberals tends to show that no religion looks very true, should tell you all you need to know. But still, for due diligence you should probably investigate a little deeper.

Bottom line: It makes little practical difference whether we are talking about objective or subjective facts. People argue, people have a mix of reasons, emotions, values, bias, credibility and all the rest. In every case, you need to investigate.

Friday, October 9, 2009

Was Shakespeare a good writer?

Was Shakespeare a good writer?

Nitpicking Skeptic: You can't say he was! It's not objectively true! The most you can say is that people (or you) believe Shakespeare was a good writer. You may subjectively feel he's a good writer, but it's just a matter of personal taste, nothing more.
XGH: Of course Shakespeare was a good writer! By any definition and criteria of what makes a "good writer" - themes,plots, characters, language, popularity etc - he's a good writer, as judged by the consensus of the experts (and regular people).

Is Faye Kellerman a good writer?

XGH: Depends, some say yes, some say no. There are rational arguments on both sides. You need to analyze and figure it out. It's reasonable for reasonable people to disagree.

Is murder of innocents morally wrong?

Nitpicking Skeptic: You can't say it's wrong! It's not objectively true! The most you can say is that people (or you) believe murder is wrong. You may subjectively feel it's wrong, but it's just a matter of personal taste, nothing more.
XGH: Of course it's wrong! By any definition and criteria of what makes something morally wrong - hurting people, injustice etc - it's morally wrong, as judged by the consensus of the experts (and regular people).

Is abortion morally wrong?

XGH: Depends, some say yes, some say no. There are rational arguments on both sides. You need to analyze and figure it out. It's reasonable for reasonable people to disagree.
Nitpicking Skeptic: Aha! The fact that there's no expert consensus means that you can't say it's wrong (or right)
XGH: No, the fact there's no consensus could be due to a lot of things. There may be extreme bias, there may be religious motivations, or maybe it's a conflict of values and the debate rests on some very fine points indeed and really there's broad agreement on most of the values in question, there's just a question of how much emphasis to place on competing values.

Is not following the evidence wrong?

Nitpicking Skeptic: Yes! Absolutely wrong! No question about it! Not only do I follow the evidence, but I believe that everyone else should follow the evidence too. It's the only way to live!
XGH: (raises eyebrows)

Thursday, October 8, 2009

Wednesday, October 7, 2009

Which of these statements is true?

1. The sky is blue.
2. Murder of innocents is wrong.
3. Chocolate Ice Cream is delicious
4. I like Strawberry Ice cream

Answer: 1,2 and 4.

So why is 2 true, but 3 is not? Because the dictionary defines wrong as follows:

1 a : an injurious, unfair, or unjust act : action or conduct inflicting harm without due provocation or just cause b : a violation or invasion of the legal rights of another; especially : tort
2 : something wrong, immoral, or unethical; especially : principles, practices, or conduct contrary to justice, goodness, equity, or law
3 : the state, position, or fact of being or doing wrong: as a : the state of being mistaken or incorrect b : the state of being guilty


And pretty much everyone (normal) on the planet will agree to 2. So does the fact that everyone agrees murder is wrong actually make murder wrong? Of course! By definition of the word "wrong". Now some skeptics will be pedantic and insist that I'm confused, and that the true statement is really "Everyone agrees that murder is wrong" rather than "Murder is wrong". But I'm arguing they reduce to the same thing, by any reasonable definition of the word wrong.

But what if everyone agreed that murder was right, would that make murder right? I think it would, but that's akin to saying what if God made murder a mitzvah. It's a pointless question.

Why is murder wrong? Could be for rational reasons (golden rule), could be because of God, could be due to evolutionary traits, or all of the above. The reason why it's wrong is not important for now, the key point is that saying it is wrong is a true enough statement.

So why isn't 3 true? Because a lot of people don't like Chocolate Ice Cream. However if the whole world agreed that Chocolate Ice Cream was delicious, then only an annoying nitpicker would insist on saying "Everyone agrees that Chocolate Ice Cream is delicious" rather than simply saying "Chocolate Ice Cream is delicious".

And you see this in real life - the hard core skeptics believe 100% that it's wrong to believe in nonsense. True, when pushed into a corner, they might claim that this is just their "subjective" opinion, but that's essentially bogus. We all know that the hardcore skeptic believes just as passionately that nonsense beliefs are bad as he does that the DH is true. So he claims that one belief is based on values, whereas the other belief is based on facts. One belief is subjective while the other is objective. But what is the practical difference? There isn't one! So much for that.

So I guess what I'm saying is this:

The boo-yah theory of morality says that when someone says "murder is wrong" what they are really saying is "I hate murder..booo". I'm saying (and of course I'm not the first person to say this) that when someone says "Murder is wrong" what they're really saying is "Everyone agrees that murder is wrong - for (various) good reasons".

Now what about people who say "X is wrong" even when there is no universal agreement on that? I think what they're really saying is this: " X is wrong for good reasons - and give me enough time, I can convince everyone of those reasons, and so everyone should really hold X is wrong, just like me". And that's really no different than someone saying "The DH is true (or at least it's the most likely explanation for WWTT)". Does everyone agree the DH is true (or most likely)? Of course not! But the person saying the DH is true is basing his opinion on reasons (and evidence) which (a) He thinks are sound, and (b) He thinks that anyone reasonable and non biased would be convinced of.

Of course things aren't black and white, there's a continuum from statements like 4 above, to statements like 1 above, with many levels in between.

Anyways, this is all great news for OPers. One of my biggest problems with OP (or any non OJ system) was that values seemed entirely subjective, and all values discussion pointless. Now I see that this isn't the case. Boruch Hashem!

Now, what about this one:

5. God exists (assuming some coherent definition of "God")

True, or not? The answer is we don't know. But what if pretty much everyone agreed it was true. Would it then be true? The answer is no. Murder is wrong if everyone agrees it's wrong, because that's the definition of wrong. However "existence" in no way depends on what people think. Existent/Non Existent is entirely different from good/bad or wrong/right.

At this point the skeptics will be jumping up and down yelling 'Of course! Existence is objective but values are subjective! That's why global agreement can't influence existence, but it can influence morality." And my reply is sure, but so what? Murder is still wrong, because everyone agrees it is, with good reasons. But still the skeptics will insist, murder is only subjectively wrong, not objectively wrong. And I will reply, "But what's the practical difference?" And they will fall silent, because they believe murder is wrong as surely as they believe God didn't write the Torah.

But what about this one?

6. Faith in God is good.

That one might actually be true but it depends on a lot of factors.

5 years blogging and nobody ever mentioned the facts/values dichotomy???

Jeez. Well, better late than never.

And note to skeptics: This is not PoMo, nor is it a license for fundies, so relax.
Note to fundies: This is not about faith. Faith and values are two entirely different things. Faith based beliefs which are contrary to evidence are basically crappy facts. And we don't like crappy facts precisely because we have values.

Read this now. DO IT. [Update: Maybe there are better articles on this subject. I enjoyed that one, but the author has an agenda as you can see from his website].

Tuesday, October 6, 2009

Do frum skeptics have credible opinions about the LWMO/OP?

I say, no.

Most frum skeptics are certainly very well read in science, philosophy, biblical criticism and all that skeptic "reid". But when it comes to their knowledge of real people outside of the frum community, for the most part they are a bit clueless. (Of course I am talking about the frum skeptics who still live in Chareidi land because they can't or don't want to escape).

One argument I often hear from the skeptics is that without OJ beliefs only crazy people / yechidei yechidim would be Orthoprax. But I look around me and I see that isn't so. (Oh no). There are plenty of people in my LWMO shul who absolutely do not believe in some or all of the ikkarim, but still sacrifice greatly to be OP. They eat kosher, send their kids to expensive jewish day schools, go to shul regularly etc etc. And these are NOT people who have to pretend to be OJ for family reasons. On the contrary, these are people who choose to be OP, for their own reasons (community, values, tradition etc).

Are their numbers as great as the Chareidim? No, of course not. But who decided the rule that you have to be a certain size to be viable? Small can be viable too, it's all relative, Judaism is certainly small compared to Christianity or Islam. And as to the argument that OP is dependant on OJ (e.g. OP needs OJ shochtim) that applies equally well to MO in the US. And anyway, surely it's OK to have co-dependent societies? We couldn't survive without goyim, does that mean we have to be goyim?! Who decided that only entirely independent societies are viable? In todays age of global interconnectedness that idea is just ridiculous.

Now I agree that in theory, it seems pretty straightforward that if God didn't command you to do X, then you wouldn't be that motivated to do it. But this is a Chareidi mentality; i.e. I only do anything because God said so. Normal people don't have that mentality. Normal people do all sorts of things (even sacrifice their lives on occassion) for all sorts of reasons and values that have absolutely nothing to do with God. But this is why Frum Skeptics can't understand Orthopraxers, they have this core Chareidi mentality which they can't shake.

Some skeptics will say that my community is an aberration. But it isn't. It's just normal LWMO. Are they as passionate about every halachic minutae as Chareidim or RWMO? No, of course not. But since when is obsessive compulsiveness about chumros and haalchic minutae a guarantee of viability and sustainability? It certainly didn't help with the wave of assimilation and flight from the ghettos! And in fact, logic would dictate the opposite. If halachic observance was more focused on the big things which add value and meaning, and less on annoying minutae, maybe people would be more attracted.

Some skeptics will say "Been there done that. Conservatives tried and failed miserably". But you could have signed the death sentence for OJ in the 1930's (or even 1950's) and yet they have bounced back. And anyways, Conservative dropped halachah entirely (apart from the RW Conservatives who remain very commited). And even if Conservatives is a good data point, since when you deduce an inviolate fact from one single historical occurence?

Bottom line: I see OP People. They're all around me. And they seem very committed. You frum skeptics need to come over for Shabbos. You're all invited (though not at the same time).

Are facts really different from values?

I think so, and post enlightenment thought agrees with me. Facts are objective, values are subjective.

But a book I am currently reading, Cosmopolitanism by Kwame Anthony Appiah, suggests otherwise. If I understand him correctly, his argument goes like this. How can we prove that facts are facts? We can't really. At best you can say that facts are convincing. But if you've ever argued with a fundie you know that's not always the case. In reality, facts seem quite subjective.

Meanwhile, values can be very convincing. And even when you are in contact with radically different cultures, it turns out that the underlying values are often quite similar if not identical (Appiah brings many examples from his own Ghanian culture). In other words, values can be quite objective.

So at the end of the day, maybe facts and values aren't so different after all.

Something doesn't seem right with this picture.

Monday, October 5, 2009

10 Reasons for upgrading to Orthoprax

ej on Orthopraxy

I don't even know where to begin with this comment from ej:

"The way to differentiate Orthopraxy is to show how despite the general adherence to halacha there are significant differences in behavior. One would think if Torah is all made up, OPers would be more lax in observance...miss mincha, cut out nagel vasser, something. But no, it is presented by XGH in such a way that behavior is hermetically sealed and exactly duplicates RWMO. OPers cover their posterior. I think in real life this is impossible…if you really deep down believe it’s all a fiction it must carry over. But let’s put that aside.

My current point is that even if halacha is not affected, all these new heresies should have some effect elsewhere in life…maybe OPers are less conventional, less conservative. Maybe they use their new found ability to think for themselves to create a less stuffy, more progressive, maybe even bohemian world. If social and political attitudes are the same as the rest of Orthodoxy…if 70% voted for McCain- Palin, then these heresies are totally hermetically sealed with no spillover anywhere. I would then say that OP with all its wise guy rhetoric is another b.s. type of apologetics for Orthodoxy. All the blasphemous talk is a cover to help OPers believe they are not volunteering to remain in a prison, and are not terrified at some level of doing an aveirah."

Firstly, I would say OPers are of course more lax in observance than frum RWMO. But not much different than regular LWMO (MO lite). Who davens minchah everyday? And negel vasser? Please. I barely did Negel Vasser even when I was in Chareidi Yeshivah. As for McCain Palin - we voted Obama, and so did many MO people I know, apart from a LWMO friend who voted McCain (why? Why?) I'm not saying Obama is the Moshiach, but Mcain-Palin?? Are you freaking nuts?

Anyways, as for the main point, that OPers should somehow be different in other areas of life, or else OP is just a load of bs, I don't see that at all. OP is a way of making sense of OJ in the modern world, without resorting to apologetics or outright lies. Why isn't that enough?

I don't think you'll ever see a huge difference between OP and LWMO for two reasons:

1. LWMO are about as liberal and different as you can be while still keeping basic halachah
2. LWMO are basically OP anyway.

So what does ej want? That we should all be Communists? Polyamorous? What? Exactly how far do we have to take this to be considered non bs by ej? What is ej's agenda here? Can someone please explain this to me?

Sunday, October 4, 2009

Battle of the MO Siddurim: RCA/Artscroll vs OU/Koren

Seems like a battle is brewing for the hearts and minds (and checks) of the Modern Orthodox. The new Koren/Sacks/OU siddur has just been published, and now I see that a new RCA/Artscroll Siddur is also in the works.

The Koren/Sacks siddur is described as "Compiled by Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks..includes a new English translation and insightful commentary by many personalities including Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchick, Nechama Leibovitz, Tolstoy and more." [Tolstoy????]

As this handy chart below shows, the Koren siddur is way better than the (current) RCA Artscroll.

10 Reasons for Upgrading to the New Koren Siddur:

FeaturesKoren Sacks
Siddur
ArtScroll
RCA Edition
Birnbaum
Siddur Hashalem
David De Sola
Prayerbook
1. Clear, aesthetically pleasing print and user friendly layoutYes!Yes!No!No!
2. Modern authorities citedYes!Yes!Yes!No!
3. Includes prayers only recited in IsraelYes!Yes!No!No!
4. Translation that reflects Modern Orthodox valuesYes!Yes!Yes!No!
5. State of Israel central & significantYes!No!LimitedLimited
6. CommentariesYes!Yes!Yes!No!
7. Sensitivity to women's issuesYes!No!No!No!
8. Halakhic digestYes!Yes!Yes!No!
9. Durable bible paper & ribbon markersYes!No!No!No!
10. Available in multiple sizesYes!Yes!Yes!No!



But wait! The new RCA siddur will be improved too, and the chart above seems to be based on the current one. The new one promises a simplified translation, prayers for the state of Israel, and other good stuff.

Why is the RCA (who is also the Rabbinic Authority for the OU) backing an Artscroll publication? According to comments here, Koren approached the RCA a number of times but they were not interested in partnering with them. Maybe our friend, the new head of the OU press, can weigh in. Seems a pretty poor decision by the RCA.

My shul just ordered a 100 copies of the Koren, and my Rabbi is a big fan. Personally, I have never liked the Koren typeface, but the layout is pretty good, with the text appearing in more of a poetry format, which makes it easier to focus on the content of the words, rather than trying to daven through it all as quickly as possible. Plus anything non-ArtScroll deserves our support.

Of course for OPers, the Siddur is highly problematic, as it embodies many faith based concepts which aren't quite true. I tried the Conservative Ohr Chaddash Siddur but it wasn't much better. I should investigate Reform Siddurim, I actually had lunch on Yom Tov with the Chazzan of the local Reform Temple, she seemed very nice.

Failing that, I suppose I could do what most OJs do - mumble the words quickly while thinking about business. God will understand (though I'm not so sure about the Demiurge].