Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Analyzing Hirhurim

I. Style

Gil used to write with his own voice. More recently, all his posts seem to have a very detached quality about them. Not sure what he's trying to achieve but it's just not as good.

II. Format

He keeps using the short paragraph format, with each section having a title. Who said this was a good idea?

III. Readership

For some reason, the bulk of Gil's commenters are centrist or LWMO. He doesn't seem to have any RWMO or Chareidi commenters anymore. Recently, when Gil was posting about women Rabbi's and such, someone commented that Gil was totally out of touch with his readership. But it's not Gil's fault, all his readership is to the left! Bizarre.

IV. Arguments

Gil's standards of arguments has fallen. Used to be he at least tried to make a case for his views. More recently, he just states his opinions. It's like his heart isn't in it.

V. Conclusion

I liked the old Gil better. Bring him back!

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

he has strange comment rules.
I can't post comments there anymore. But I don't know why.

It's very possible that his RW commenters aren't allowed to post.

Anonymous said...

I'm waiting for a post decrying the killing of innocent snails.

ksil said...

who reads hirhurim?

Josh said...

I thought he was at his most entertaining -- and pathetic -- when doing theology.

FrumHeretic said...

I have done sophisticated statistical analysis on TorahMusings and have come to the conclusion that it speaks in well-defined, multiple voices. Taken on its own, however, it is not proof of multiple authorship. Furthermore, there is nothing in these results that should cause those of us committed to the traditional belief in a single author.

Anonymous said...

Have not read Hirhurim in years. Find it boring, self righteous, and anti-argument.

J. said...

The problem is that he's done it all to death by now. There's only so many posts you can do on which hand to wipe your tuchus with, and he wasn't really interested in having serious philosophical discussions.

Anonymous said...

I think most if not all of these points can be made about you.

Bring back the old XGH!

J. said...

Fascinating quote from Gil today:
"My consistent defense of Orthodox Judaism has been that it has not been disproven, that it remains viable and plausible. I’m not looking to prove it or even make it probable. Viable is all I think we can hope for right now (plausible is a subjective but useful criterion)."

Is that what we are left with?

Gil Student said...

Thanks for the analysis. All this really points to is what this blog proves -- J-blogging is pretty much over. That's life. Every moment eventually passes.

Gil Student said...

Oh, I wrote about the change in my style here: http://torahmusings.com/2010/03/is-j-blogging-over/

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dra_Sit3Hjk

Please check out this movie 1 minute I made about the singles scene. I think you'll find that it is a very good piece to stimulate discussion about shidduchim today.

I'd love if you could post the video and spread it around the web!
Thanks!
ari

Baruch Pelta said...

Over there R' Gil, you wrote that J-blogging wasn't over, but had just grown up. From whence the new cynicism?

I commented on the post u linked to btw:

I’ve been blogging for a couple years, albeit not nearly as long as you! [Just started a new blog, folks, and thanks R' Gil for your comments!]

I don’t see the problem with the comments. I think of it as an honor and privilege to get thought-provoking comments, particularly from people I respect. Here’s a person who wants to engage in an open and thoughtful dialogue…with me! If the comments are stupid, then the person is subtracting credence from his own arguments. As for trolls who poison the dialogue in one way or another, I’ll admit that can be difficult, but they can be deal with through a number of means: You can refute their every statement (if one has time) have a fair comment moderation policy (like R’ Harry Maryles), delete them when they’re over the line, or – -if your blog format allows you to — ban them.

We obviously may not have time to necessarily respond to every single comment, but I do think we have a duty to our readers to allow comments in and discuss the more trenchant objections, so there’s a *real* Dialogue.

Gil Student said...

I was probably overly cynical here. It isn't over but it's changed significantly. I'm getting more hits and links now than in the past but I'm much less bloggy and more magaziney. The nature of blogging has changed. Look at DovBear. His most animated exchanges are now on Twitter.

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